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    Message par Julie. 2010-07-17, 19:39

    Rappel du premier message :

    On a group of beautiful deserted islands in the middle of nowhere, the following people are stranded:

    two Italian men and one Italian woman
    two French men and one French woman
    two German men and one German woman
    two Greek men and one Greek woman
    two English men and one English woman
    two Bulgarian men and one Bulgarian woman
    two Japanese men and one Japanese woman
    two Chinese men and one Chinese woman
    two American men and one American woman
    two Irish men and one Irish woman.

    One month later on these absolutely stunning deserted islands in the middle of nowhere, the following things have occurred:

    One Italian man killed the other Italian man for the Italian woman..

    The two French men and the French woman are living happily together in a menage-a-trois.

    The two German men have a strict weekly schedule of alternating visits with the German woman.

    The two Greek men are sleeping with each other and the Greek woman is cleaning and cooking for them.

    The two English men are waiting for someone to introduce them to the English woman.

    The two Bulgarian men took one long look at the endless ocean and another long look at the Bulgarian woman and started swimming.

    The two Japanese have faxed Tokyo and are awaiting instructions.

    The two Chinese men have set up a pharmacy, liquor, store, restaurant, laundry, and have gotten the woman pregnant in order to supply employees for their store.

    The two American men are contemplating the virtues of suicide, because the American woman keeps on complaining about her body, the true nature of feminism, how she can do everything they can do, the necessity of fulfillment, the equal division of household chores, how sand and palm trees make her look fat, how her last boyfriend respected her opinion and treated her nicer than they do, and how her relationship with her mother is improving, and how at least the taxes are low and it isn't raining..

    The two Irish men divided the island into North and South and set up a distillery. They do not remember if sex is in the picture because it gets sort of foggy after the first few litres of coconut whiskey. But they're satisfied because at least the English aren't having any fun.

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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-20, 11:08

    Hey you know what I mean young lady! All am trying to say that men being the creatures they are, a woman cannot be banging heads with her husband all the time, that is all... Of course it goes without saying that the same holds true the other way around as well, the husband must know to listen and honor his wife's wishes, that is what the best of men do! But when push comes to shove, a real woman is one who knows to back down... Why? because 20 years later after all her friends have gone through at least one divorce and she looks at her family unit, kids gown up and happy she will be able to say "damn!! I work hard for this!" with a satisfied and proud smile on her face... It is not weakness, it is understanding what makes a marriage work and accepting to play one's part in it! Again before you go cutting neck off Laughing lemme be clear: This does NOT mean that she should stand for any kind of abuse, verbal or physical! Rather knowing that disputes WILL happen, she should master the art of diffusing to prevent them from escalating by backing down sometimes! A man will only love more for it, it needs not be a competition! that's all I am saying Ben Voilà
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-20, 17:05

    At least we can both agree on what u just said... but again it goes in both ways... if each of us acts for the best interest of his/her spouse we can have best mariage ever, but instead we keep fighting each other and argue about nothing! My point is, how can a couple be strong and face the world together if we have to fight each other night and day before?
    I know that sometimes I live in my loveland but PLEASE dont' wake me up...
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-21, 07:01

    Sleep on honeysugarpie! Grithia Nah but seriously we talk the same language! Our premise is the same, which for me is a good man dealing with a not so easy wife, and similarly (I guessing here)your are speaking from the perspective of a good woman dealing with a problematic husband! You see, so we do say the same thing, we just approach it from opposite angles... which incidently may just be the cause of many misunderstandings in a couple! As the saying goes "one must learn to put oneself in the other person's shoes" to better understand him/her.  respect
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    Message par Kiné 2010-12-21, 15:46

    Lyana a écrit:At least we can both agree on what u just said... but again it goes in both ways... if each of us acts for the best interest of his/her spouse we can have best mariage ever, but instead we keep fighting each other and argue about nothing! My point is, how can a couple be strong and face the world together if we have to fight each other night and day before?
    I know that sometimes I live in my loveland but PLEASE dont' wake me up...
    Not, honey, you're right, the only problem is that we (women) see the world under a perspective different from that of the men. When will we all be able to see the things of the same way? In order that it happens, we (men&women) would have to put in the place of the other one, as Saabachou says. But I'm afraid that while the world is the world, the things will continue being like that, it's the eternal war of sexes... ouf! Bloody Shakespeare's language [ENGLISH] Discussions Générales en ANGLAIS ! - Page 2 Smilies3
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-22, 12:38

    I do not celebrate Christmas but to all those who do I want wish a very Merry Christmas and happy holiday season! As the new year approches now is the time to reflect on the past year, identify improvements that need to be made in both our personal and professional lives, and get ready to put the plans in action as we formulate our new year's resolutions!
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    Message par Cola 2010-12-22, 14:14

    May peace,joy and happiness be Yours this festive season and throughout the year.May God grant us health and strengh for this new year
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    Message par Cola 2010-12-22, 14:24

    Saabajoe a écrit:Hey you know what I mean young lady! All am trying to say that men being the creatures they are, a woman cannot be banging heads with her husband all the time, that is all... Of course it goes without saying that the same holds true the other way around as well, the husband must know to listen and honor his wife's wishes, that is what the best of men do! But when push comes to shove, a real woman is one who knows to back down... Why? because 20 years later after all her friends have gone through at least one divorce and she looks at her family unit, kids gown up and happy she will be able to say "damn!! I work hard for this!" with a satisfied and proud smile on her face... It is not weakness, it is understanding what makes a marriage work and accepting to play one's part in it! Again before you go cutting neck off Laughing lemme be clear: This does NOT mean that she should stand for any kind of abuse, verbal or physical! Rather knowing that disputes WILL happen, she should master the art of diffusing to prevent them from escalating by backing down sometimes! A man will only love more for it, it needs not be a competition! that's all I am saying Ben Voilà
    This is what i don't get why women are the ones who have to back down all the time.
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-22, 14:29

    Well said Ben Voilà! So have you thought about what your goals will be for next year?
    As far as your comment above, no women do not have to back down all the time at all, when you have a point and you are able to make it convingly then why back down. Similarly if your man has a point and is able to make it understood clearly there should not be any reason for arguments. But wanting your point to prevail no matter what and getting aggravated when iti doesn't is only recipe for disputes. That said, the point I was trying to make is that when the conversation reaches a boiling point, a woman should give the man his due as head of the household, if that is what you believe in as a muslim woman. Because for the man, there is a thin line between being understanding and appearing weak! Men do not NOT like appearing weak in front of their woman, I mean shit, WOMEN themselves do not like weak men
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    Message par Cola 2010-12-22, 14:35

    i have to step out but i'll right back,hold that thought


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    Message par Kiné 2010-12-22, 15:06

    Saabajoe a écrit:Well said Ben Voilà! So have you thought about what your goals will be for next year?
    As far as your comment above, no women do not have to back down all the time at all, when you have a point and you are able to make it convingly then why back down. Similarly if your man has a point and is able to make it understood clearly there should not be any reason for arguments. But wanting your point to prevail no matter what and getting aggravated when iti doesn't is only recipe for disputes. That said, the point I was trying to make is that when the conversation reaches a boiling point, a woman should give the man his due as head of the household, if that is what you believe in as a muslim woman. Because for the man, there is a thin line between being understanding and appearing weak! Men do not NOT like appearing weak in front of their woman, I mean shit, WOMEN themselves do not like weak men
    Yeah but not but yeah but I love you darling héhé héhé
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-22, 15:09

    héhé Greetings to you Mamychou, how is everything in your world?
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    Message par Kiné 2010-12-22, 15:16

    Everything is OK in my world, no man's land... but I love you papychou Love1 Love1
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    Message par Cola 2010-12-22, 17:31

    Saabajoe a écrit:Well said Ben Voilà! So have you thought about what your goals will be for next year?
    As far as your comment above, no women do not have to back down all the time at all, when you have a point and you are able to make it convingly then why back down. Similarly if your man has a point and is able to make it understood clearly there should not be any reason for arguments. But wanting your point to prevail no matter what and getting aggravated when iti doesn't is only recipe for disputes. [That said, the point I was trying to make is that when the conversation reaches a boiling point, a woman should give the man his due as head of the household, if that is what you believe in as a muslim woman]Because for the man, there is a thin line between being understanding and appearing weak! Men do not NOT like appearing weak in front of their woman, I mean shit, WOMEN themselves do not like weak men
    Just because the debat reach a heated point women have to back down even if they right Faux Faux Reconize that you wrong when you wrong don't make any man less than a man especialy when it come to your other half.Apologizing is not a sign of weakness, but most men don't get it and the sad part is by the time the ready to do it's too late.If men get over themself life in a relationship will be much more easier
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-22, 21:16

    Oh boy!! héhé you read but failed to comprehend where I was going with it! And this right here illustrates the whole issue we are discussing... I am leaving it alone for now, how that? I am "backing down" Ben Voilà
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-26, 10:48

    One year closer to 2012, here is my prediction: 2011 is going to be a very difficult year to navigate: the weather pattern will be more unpredictable and crazy, the economies of the west will tested further leading to more social upheaval, some fake "terror" event is going to be cooked up by the usual suspects and this time they'll blame it on Iran to set it up for an attack, food and gas (fuel prices will go to the roof causing widespread misery in the third world...
    I know it sounds ominous butn that is what all signs point to in my analysis... we'll talk about it again come Dec 2011 inshallah! Ben Voilà
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-26, 16:52

    If u dont mind, Im going back to my dreamland...
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-26, 16:59

    Teudd ci souf girl go to sleep!!!!
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-26, 17:49

    Im affraid to have a nightmare! Ur predictions are just affraid
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    Message par Jacaré 2010-12-27, 05:27

    Saabajoe a écrit:One year closer to 2012, here is my prediction: 2011 is going to be a very difficult year to navigate: the weather pattern will be more unpredictable and crazy, the economies of the west will tested further leading to more social upheaval, some fake "terror" event is going to be cooked up by the usual suspects and this time they'll blame it on Iran to set it up for an attack, food and gas (fuel prices will go to the roof causing widespread misery in the third world...
    I know it sounds ominous butn that is what all signs point to in my analysis... we'll talk about it again come Dec 2011 inshallah! Ben Voilà
    looks like we have a saltigué-to-be or a guissané newbie in here rétaane...actually u did not take much risk like they do...any prediction for Senegal? or this does not sound obvious through ur analysis héhé
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-27, 06:16

    héhé Putting myself on a limb there... right? I am just playing into that whole 2012 hype héhé! In truth I really do believe that we are in for a rough ride but as you infered above nothing is ironclad, and this is not prophecy con but a personal feeling! Ben Voilà
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 06:22

    hope ur feelings go wrong then
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-27, 06:26

    I hope so too mama! I would hate to be blamed as the cause of your nightmares héhé
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    Message par Jacaré 2010-12-27, 07:14

    actually ur feelings are shared by a lot of analysts that's why i said u didn't take much risks so far rétaane "predictions" for africa, korea, russia and middle east are much harder 'cause we don't (at least i don't) know much how western countries will interfere in their destinies...at last we can just ...wait & see rétaane
    For our senegal, i hope the deep social tensions will decrease as we are sitting right now on a powder keg Crying or Very sad
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 08:20

    Why don't u guys talk about the weather/the next soccer (or wrestle) game or whatever that doesnt make me feel depressed!

    That said: what do u think about a NOT working woman, (meaning YOU -and probably ur kids- will be her full time job)Housewive is not the exact term I would use... I need detailed anwsers...  respect
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    Message par Jacaré 2010-12-27, 09:32

    to me, if she (i mean my wife) does not want to work to take care of her family, it's ok, and if she wants to work, why not if the job is not dangerous for her body, mind, and morality... Ben Voilà
    i don't know whether or not this sounds detailed...actually the question can be answered in different ways, as it can be understood in different ways...rétaane
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 10:09

    well I've been thinking of quiting my job, I see how my hubby is struggling everyday so I can have anything I need/want/wish... and I have this voice telling me that the least he deserve is to find a warm house, a loving wife and a hot meal when he gets off work!
    BUT STILL, I don't imagine layin on him for my every single need! I know I don't have to worry about him sayin Im a gold digger or so, but since my childhood I've learned to be independant and self-ruling...
    Im thinking over and over but I am not even closed to find a solution...
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-27, 10:20

    Ideally I would prefer to have my wife stay home and manage the household. I find that it create a tighter bond for the family unit because one the one hand, the husband knows where wifey is at all times, the kids are properly cared for because the mother children bond is unique. I also imagine that she will feel a different sense of importance by knowing that she is personnally and physically taking care of her own family as opposed to simple contributing financially, and the husband also in this way will feel a stronger sense of partnership with his wife when he sees his family and household well cared for.
    That said, this is a situation that does not work for everyone, for example if the husband does not earn enough to handle all the expenses of the household, he and his not working wife are more likely to have marital problems. Each will tend to blame the other for their frustations and divorce becomes an ever present threat.
    So ultimately the financial health of the household determines whether a not working wife is a wise option. If the money is right, I find that it is the best family model in the world! Ben Voilà
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 11:05

    seems so simple... I still have a lot of concerns though!
    how would you feel if the man is the one who should quit his job since his wife earns more...
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-27, 12:24

    We live in a brave new world mama, everything is possible as long as the persons involved have an understanding of why they are doing what they are doing and are in agreement. I see nothing wrong with a stay at home dad as long as each of the spouse's responsibilites are understood and met. That said, I imagine that it has to be a difficult decision for a man to make and an even tougher situation for him to live through especially if he has strong sense of dignity/self respect. However love, respect and feeling appreciated should make it easier for him to handle Ben Voilà
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 12:43

    Blah blah blah...
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-27, 12:52

    Lyana a écrit:... I need detailed anwsers...  respect

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    Let me make simple then: I see nothing wrong with either situations ma'am! con
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 13:24

    lol! dont take it personal! I just think that u arent confortable with stayin home... that was ur point! but u tried to make me believe otherwise! nice try tho!!!
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-27, 15:39

    I tried what??? lady I am NOT the stay at home type of dude! héhé Maybe if babygurl was a billionaire or something Grithia Nah I said that I do not see anything wrong with it as long as both parties agree to the situation (I wouldn't agree Ben Voilà) I see myself as a provider in the image of my dad so it unthinkable that I stay at home... buuuuut if circumstances dictated that I should, such as an accident or an illness, then I would! But as long as I am able, I will work and provide for my family inshallah!
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 16:08

    hahahahahhahahaha! That was exactlyyyyyy were I wantend u to go... U guys are always confortable with us stayin home since as for you providin the money means much more than taking care of the household!
    Well I don't think it is going to be easy for me to be jobless; I'll feel bored soon, as I have a really busy life and I don't imagine telling to my dad he paid school from kinder garden to College for me to clean dishes affraid I don't want him to have a heart attack.
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    Message par Kiné 2010-12-27, 16:12

    Neither do I, Lyana affraid
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-27, 16:13

    D'ont worry mamacita, I'll probably start working from home first/ or start my own business
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-27, 16:20

    Clean dishes? héhé Is that the only you relate to being a house wife? How very western of you!Grithia It is a lot deeper than that mama, it is the pride of raising your kids and teaching life yourself, it is the pride of seeing your houseband walk through the door tired yet smiling of happiness because he knows that he has come home to love, comfort and a good meal! and evn more than that... Buut again it is all just a question of outlook, the way you see and understand yourself and your role in household and if you cannot see yourself finding pride and joy in fulfilling that role, then don't even attempt it, you will make yourself and your household miserable! Ben Voilà
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    Message par Kiné 2010-12-27, 16:21

    Lyana a écrit:D'ont worry mamacita, I'll probably start working from home first/ or start my own business
    Where, honey? In Senegal or beside your husband?
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    Message par Jacaré 2010-12-28, 11:18

    Saabajoe a écrit:Clean dishes? héhé Is that the only you relate to being a house wife? How very western of you!Grithia It is a lot deeper than that mama, it is the pride of raising your kids and teaching life yourself, it is the pride of seeing your houseband walk through the door tired yet smiling of happiness because he knows that he has come home to love, comfort and a good meal! and evn more than that... Buut again it is all just a question of outlook, the way you see and understand yourself and your role in household and if you cannot see yourself finding pride and joy in fulfilling that role, then don't even attempt it, you will make yourself and your household miserable! Ben Voilà

    i m very impressed by all your sayings, it seems that my wife has read ur thesis rétaane as she speaks like u do...i mean in this topic héhé ouf
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-28, 11:28

    Thank you brethren  respect Glad to know that I am not the only one! More power to you for being with such a woman Ben Voilà
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    Message par Ladybug 2010-12-28, 11:50

    Sorry Saaab I didnt reply this mornin, I was sleepy! I don't mean I'd feel like cleaning dishes, I said thats what my father would say!
    First of all I've been raised in a family where there were no differences between boys and girls! we all had to work in the house on sundays, we were not like regular boys and girls familly! My dad always told my mom she had to work for herself! he was the kind of man to say: what would you do if I leave you tomorow? How would you survive by your self?
    He tried very hard to help us be independant so I'd feel bad about putting aside all the things he teached me as a lil' girl
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    Message par Kiné 2010-12-28, 13:33

    Lyana, your parents have educated you in an incredible way  respect . You must be proud to have a parents as they are, I love them. My mom (R.I.P) was like them, but only in the way like she inculcated us the studies to be someone in the life and not to depend on anybody  respect
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-28, 13:42

    Yes Lyana your dad taught you right! and I am sure he is very proud when he sees how you turned out! p1
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    Message par Rubi 2010-12-28, 13:44

    Thread bi rek la bagn car il m faut lire avec concentration pr bien comprendre héhé
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-28, 13:48

    In english pliz héhé
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    Message par Rubi 2010-12-28, 13:52

    Yaw mom dont moytou me rek Grithia
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-28, 14:15

    I will never moytou you darling I love you
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    Message par Saabajoe 2010-12-30, 17:37

    And so here we are again, another year down, shoved through the gaping portal of time, that bottomless pit, that endless expanse... another year... wiser? I am not so sure but... alive! Looking back at the year passed, many mistakes made, expectations unmet, dreams shattered... regrets? how could I? I own nothing but the choice I make next, the picture and path both belong to the Mighty One, the Decider! so no..no regrets but resolve that mistakes committed will not be committed again, that lessons learned will be applied moving forward in this life's journey... A blessing that I live. breathe, love, laugh and... give thanks and praise to Allah!! yes blessings that I have a family like mine, friends like my beloved sndiens héhé .. I love you guys more than I could ever express and that's real! Calin Happy New Year niggaz and niguettes! héhé héhé
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    Message par Ouly 2011-01-16, 15:33

    HI GUYS I WAS A LONG TIME MISSING BUT I M BACK HAPPY TO COME BACK WITH U AND WISH TO YOU ALL HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL MY BEST WISH FOR 2011 AND HOPE THAT THIS YEAR WILL BE BETTER THAN 2010 INCHAALLAH IM SORRY IF YOU READ MISTAKES LOL KISS Ehey
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    Message par Saabajoe 2011-02-06, 08:58

    I feel good! alhamdulilah I feel great... No matter what happens tomorrow I was very happy today, had a gangsta ass weekend and that is all that counts Grithia! no regrets at all, no matter what!
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